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		<title>By: bodellconsulting</title>
		<link>http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2008/06/26/pricing-food-why-youre-doing-it-wrong-and-how-to-fix-it/#comment-712</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 07:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;p&gt;Reblogged this on &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2012/02/05/350/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;O&#039;Dell Restaurant Consulting&#039;s Blog&lt;/a&gt; and commented: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bringing this article back around. It&#039;s a good read.&lt;/p&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reblogged this on <a href="http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2012/02/05/350/" rel="nofollow">O&#039;Dell Restaurant Consulting&#039;s Blog</a> and commented: </p>
<p>Bringing this article back around. It&#8217;s a good read.</p>
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		<title>By: bodellconsulting</title>
		<link>http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2008/06/26/pricing-food-why-youre-doing-it-wrong-and-how-to-fix-it/#comment-352</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Coby,

Here is a an article I wrote dealing with gross profit pricing for new restaurants. You should give it a read.
http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2009/06/04/how-can-i-use-gross-profit-pricing-for-a-new-restaurant/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Coby,</p>
<p>Here is a an article I wrote dealing with gross profit pricing for new restaurants. You should give it a read.<br />
<a href="http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2009/06/04/how-can-i-use-gross-profit-pricing-for-a-new-restaurant/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2009/06/04/how-can-i-use-gross-profit-pricing-for-a-new-restaurant/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Coby Ming</title>
		<link>http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2008/06/26/pricing-food-why-youre-doing-it-wrong-and-how-to-fix-it/#comment-351</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coby Ming]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,
I know this article has some age to it by now but I was curious if you had any advice for a figuring out total needed gross  profit for a restaurant that is getting ready to open?? Thanks so much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I know this article has some age to it by now but I was curious if you had any advice for a figuring out total needed gross  profit for a restaurant that is getting ready to open?? Thanks so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave C.</title>
		<link>http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2008/06/26/pricing-food-why-youre-doing-it-wrong-and-how-to-fix-it/#comment-173</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 13:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great advice all...as a management consultant with many restaurant clients in the U.S. and Canada, too few owners want to take the time to do plate costing and portion controls let alone waste/inventory controls...and one constant fault they make is thinking cost mark up is done by multiplying the food cost by the % vs. dividing by the reciprocal...you leave money on the table the first way!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great advice all&#8230;as a management consultant with many restaurant clients in the U.S. and Canada, too few owners want to take the time to do plate costing and portion controls let alone waste/inventory controls&#8230;and one constant fault they make is thinking cost mark up is done by multiplying the food cost by the % vs. dividing by the reciprocal&#8230;you leave money on the table the first way!</p>
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		<title>By: MasterChef Consulting</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MasterChef Consulting]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 06:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great  Stuff....So many owners/chefs that I meet do not know exactly what their food cost is...let alone what their gross profit is on a specific menu item. Tools that we use such as accurate recipe costing sheets and standard recipe sheets for the cooks do not exist in many operations. The answer that is often heard is that &quot;I do not have time&quot;. I also use Excel based spread sheets and Excel based recipe cost sheets
to keep on top of menu pricing. A very large percentage of recipe costing sheets that I am shown are not current. I am responsible for the success of my operation and learned a long time ago that it was not always ok to do something a certain way because &quot;that&#039;s the way it was always done&quot;. Sometimes I wonder how much time is spent in school on the importantence of maintaining accurate records of recipes and menu item cost. Great article.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great  Stuff&#8230;.So many owners/chefs that I meet do not know exactly what their food cost is&#8230;let alone what their gross profit is on a specific menu item. Tools that we use such as accurate recipe costing sheets and standard recipe sheets for the cooks do not exist in many operations. The answer that is often heard is that &#8220;I do not have time&#8221;. I also use Excel based spread sheets and Excel based recipe cost sheets<br />
to keep on top of menu pricing. A very large percentage of recipe costing sheets that I am shown are not current. I am responsible for the success of my operation and learned a long time ago that it was not always ok to do something a certain way because &#8220;that&#8217;s the way it was always done&#8221;. Sometimes I wonder how much time is spent in school on the importantence of maintaining accurate records of recipes and menu item cost. Great article.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:46:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consulting isn&#039;t really a field you can just start up in and expect to make it from the get-go. You start doing consulting work while you are working for someone else, or while you have another business that provides more steady income.

I would suggest finding your specialty. Don&#039;t try to be all things to all people, as you will often get approached for projects you are not qualified for. It&#039;s important to realize your limitations and not try to be an expert on something you&#039;re less experienced with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consulting isn&#8217;t really a field you can just start up in and expect to make it from the get-go. You start doing consulting work while you are working for someone else, or while you have another business that provides more steady income.</p>
<p>I would suggest finding your specialty. Don&#8217;t try to be all things to all people, as you will often get approached for projects you are not qualified for. It&#8217;s important to realize your limitations and not try to be an expert on something you&#8217;re less experienced with.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Burhans</title>
		<link>http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2008/06/26/pricing-food-why-youre-doing-it-wrong-and-how-to-fix-it/#comment-170</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Burhans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 15:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Love the input, and thank you for taking the time to have a dialogue!

I see all of your points, and they are valid. Unfortunately, I am in a corporate chain so have little control over how the bonus is determined, how often we increase menu prices (although we regularly increase) etc.

But, this is great information should I get the opportunity to coach operators in the future.

Do you ever offer advice on how one might break into the field of consulting?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the input, and thank you for taking the time to have a dialogue!</p>
<p>I see all of your points, and they are valid. Unfortunately, I am in a corporate chain so have little control over how the bonus is determined, how often we increase menu prices (although we regularly increase) etc.</p>
<p>But, this is great information should I get the opportunity to coach operators in the future.</p>
<p>Do you ever offer advice on how one might break into the field of consulting?</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Basing bonuses on sales increase and cash flow over the previous year is separate altogether than bonusing strictly on profit.

As you point out, bonusing on increases leaves the managers nowwhere to cut that doesn&#039;t affect quality. There are many factors affecting sales, etc that are out of the control of the managers. A good example would be the present day economy. If managers are getting bonused based on profit comparisons instead of flat profit, and sales are flat or lower due to something out of their control, their only avenue for creating more profit is through cutting needed expenses, and as you point out, this can hurt long term profitability.

When the focus of the bonusing is completely on profit, without being affected by comparisons to other periods, and staff is properly educated as to how profit is made, their only incentive is to make more money for the restaurant not just in the short term, but in the long term. Afterall, they are getting the next quarter&#039;s bonus based on profit too, just it doesn&#039;t do any good to rob Peter to pay Paul.

When viewing food costs, it&#039;s important to look at everything from menu item costs to ingredient costs. A properly set up inventory and recipe spreadsheet system allows owners and chefs to see how the cost of individual ingredients flows through the entire system. I link together spreadsheets so individual inventory item price increases are carried through every other spreadsheet. Owners and chefs can see how price increases affect their gross profit on individual items, overall profit, cost percentages, etc. It doesn&#039;t do much good to concentrate on only one aspect of cost control.

Another major consideration in menu profitability is the frequency of menu price increases. Many, if not most, operations wait 1 year or longer to raise prices. They then use larger increases that are more noticed by their customers instead of doing smaller, more frequent price increases. A quick example of the financial advantage of frequent price increases is on the front page of my blog http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2008/10/30/quick-tips-update-your-menu-often/.

The disadvantages I see to bonusing based simply on cost accuracy between theoretic and real food costs is that it ignores the rest of the financial picture. It removes the incentive to control the other 70% of the financial picture. Some restaurant that use this model also use sales bonuses for FOH staff, and effectively create a rift between their back of house and front of house, because they have set separate goals. In the food business, it is tough enough to get BOH and FOH staff working together without creating a bonus system that makes them work against each other.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basing bonuses on sales increase and cash flow over the previous year is separate altogether than bonusing strictly on profit.</p>
<p>As you point out, bonusing on increases leaves the managers nowwhere to cut that doesn&#8217;t affect quality. There are many factors affecting sales, etc that are out of the control of the managers. A good example would be the present day economy. If managers are getting bonused based on profit comparisons instead of flat profit, and sales are flat or lower due to something out of their control, their only avenue for creating more profit is through cutting needed expenses, and as you point out, this can hurt long term profitability.</p>
<p>When the focus of the bonusing is completely on profit, without being affected by comparisons to other periods, and staff is properly educated as to how profit is made, their only incentive is to make more money for the restaurant not just in the short term, but in the long term. Afterall, they are getting the next quarter&#8217;s bonus based on profit too, just it doesn&#8217;t do any good to rob Peter to pay Paul.</p>
<p>When viewing food costs, it&#8217;s important to look at everything from menu item costs to ingredient costs. A properly set up inventory and recipe spreadsheet system allows owners and chefs to see how the cost of individual ingredients flows through the entire system. I link together spreadsheets so individual inventory item price increases are carried through every other spreadsheet. Owners and chefs can see how price increases affect their gross profit on individual items, overall profit, cost percentages, etc. It doesn&#8217;t do much good to concentrate on only one aspect of cost control.</p>
<p>Another major consideration in menu profitability is the frequency of menu price increases. Many, if not most, operations wait 1 year or longer to raise prices. They then use larger increases that are more noticed by their customers instead of doing smaller, more frequent price increases. A quick example of the financial advantage of frequent price increases is on the front page of my blog <a href="http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2008/10/30/quick-tips-update-your-menu-often/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2008/10/30/quick-tips-update-your-menu-often/</a>.</p>
<p>The disadvantages I see to bonusing based simply on cost accuracy between theoretic and real food costs is that it ignores the rest of the financial picture. It removes the incentive to control the other 70% of the financial picture. Some restaurant that use this model also use sales bonuses for FOH staff, and effectively create a rift between their back of house and front of house, because they have set separate goals. In the food business, it is tough enough to get BOH and FOH staff working together without creating a bonus system that makes them work against each other.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Burhans</title>
		<link>http://blog.bodellconsulting.com/2008/06/26/pricing-food-why-youre-doing-it-wrong-and-how-to-fix-it/#comment-168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Burhans]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting point, and I could see it&#039;s effectiveness in independent concepts where, generally, the management is more invested than in corporate chain.

I, personally, like the bonus structure I&#039;m in. Bonus on food cost gap, or the difference between actual and theoretical, and certain sections of guest surveys. We do have a merit increase for profit, but here is why I think that&#039;s dangerous:

In the beginning, we bonused on sales increase and flow through over the previous year. In a slowing market, sales increase is a lofty goal, but trimming T.C.I. isn&#039;t. For managers that aren&#039;t as invested, this simply means trim labor to substandard levels, don&#039;t purchase the items needed for crew to effectively do their job, don&#039;t pay for extra cleaning, and duct tape maintenance issues, all of which hurt long term profitability. I feel bonusing on profit alone is dangerous as it encourages management to cut costs where they may be needed.

One of the reasons I&#039;m loving this blog and commenting, however, is education. I would like to venture into the world of consulting focusing primarily on controlling food cost, so I would welcome any rebuttals that may help me view things differently.

FYI, I am having my current management team, who know how to do what I tell them but understand very little of the food cost intricacies, browse through this blog as there are several times, in reading your posts, I have found myself saying, &quot;Yes, yes! That&#039;s    exactly what I&#039;ve been trying to say!&quot;

Thank you, keep up the good work!

Ps. Basing bonus on hitting a budgeted food cost is just silly and leads to frustration as the person eligible rarely receives the bonus because there is no way to track where they should be.

Also, in your spreadsheets and analysis, do you look at things on a menu item basis, or ingredient basis? I dramatically improved food cost gap in my unit by analyzing each individual items food cost gap and going after the highest dollar losses...from about a 4% gap to a 1.5% currently...a savings of about $500 a week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting point, and I could see it&#8217;s effectiveness in independent concepts where, generally, the management is more invested than in corporate chain.</p>
<p>I, personally, like the bonus structure I&#8217;m in. Bonus on food cost gap, or the difference between actual and theoretical, and certain sections of guest surveys. We do have a merit increase for profit, but here is why I think that&#8217;s dangerous:</p>
<p>In the beginning, we bonused on sales increase and flow through over the previous year. In a slowing market, sales increase is a lofty goal, but trimming T.C.I. isn&#8217;t. For managers that aren&#8217;t as invested, this simply means trim labor to substandard levels, don&#8217;t purchase the items needed for crew to effectively do their job, don&#8217;t pay for extra cleaning, and duct tape maintenance issues, all of which hurt long term profitability. I feel bonusing on profit alone is dangerous as it encourages management to cut costs where they may be needed.</p>
<p>One of the reasons I&#8217;m loving this blog and commenting, however, is education. I would like to venture into the world of consulting focusing primarily on controlling food cost, so I would welcome any rebuttals that may help me view things differently.</p>
<p>FYI, I am having my current management team, who know how to do what I tell them but understand very little of the food cost intricacies, browse through this blog as there are several times, in reading your posts, I have found myself saying, &#8220;Yes, yes! That&#8217;s    exactly what I&#8217;ve been trying to say!&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you, keep up the good work!</p>
<p>Ps. Basing bonus on hitting a budgeted food cost is just silly and leads to frustration as the person eligible rarely receives the bonus because there is no way to track where they should be.</p>
<p>Also, in your spreadsheets and analysis, do you look at things on a menu item basis, or ingredient basis? I dramatically improved food cost gap in my unit by analyzing each individual items food cost gap and going after the highest dollar losses&#8230;from about a 4% gap to a 1.5% currently&#8230;a savings of about $500 a week.</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right on target Mike.

This focus on costs is hurting many concepts in the long run. Successful contract food and beverage management companies like Compass Group set up bonus programs for their general managers based only on profit, then they give their managers the education to understand what it takes to profit.

I have my own bonus structure I modeled after their philosophy, that I share with restaurant owners. It is based strictly on the bottom line. In any business, every attempt at controlling cost or driving revenue is an effort to earn a larger profit. That needs to be the end goal of any manager, not cost percentages or sales figures that by themselves don’t mean much.

Some independent restaurant owners I know have created bonus models for their chefs based on hitting theoretic food costs instead of budgeted food costs. While I still advise bonusing based on profit exclusively, and using theoretic and actual food cost comparisons as a tool to manage profit, bonus structures based on theoretic to actual cost accuracy are a great improvement over bonusing based on budgeted costs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right on target Mike.</p>
<p>This focus on costs is hurting many concepts in the long run. Successful contract food and beverage management companies like Compass Group set up bonus programs for their general managers based only on profit, then they give their managers the education to understand what it takes to profit.</p>
<p>I have my own bonus structure I modeled after their philosophy, that I share with restaurant owners. It is based strictly on the bottom line. In any business, every attempt at controlling cost or driving revenue is an effort to earn a larger profit. That needs to be the end goal of any manager, not cost percentages or sales figures that by themselves don’t mean much.</p>
<p>Some independent restaurant owners I know have created bonus models for their chefs based on hitting theoretic food costs instead of budgeted food costs. While I still advise bonusing based on profit exclusively, and using theoretic and actual food cost comparisons as a tool to manage profit, bonus structures based on theoretic to actual cost accuracy are a great improvement over bonusing based on budgeted costs.</p>
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